When Will I Use All This Maths, Mum?

My older children all learnt maths in a formal manner, using a text book course. All three started the advanced maths course and all three dropped out partway through, complaining they hated it and were no good at maths.“When are we ever going to use all this maths, Mum?”

“But you have to do maths!” I insisted. Isn’t it an essential of education?

As a compromise, my children agreed to do the general maths or maths in society course instead. So they learnt all that useful stuff like how to work out interest on a home loan. But even though this kind of maths was more relevant to their everyday lives, not one of my older children finished the course.

Imogen was different. She decided for herself that she wanted to do the advanced maths course. “I want to go to university, Mum and I think I may need maths for the course I want to do.” There was also another big incentive; “I’m going to be the first Elvis child to complete this course!” When you are 4th in line, there are not many things left that haven’t already been achieved by someone older.

Imogen started with a textbook and then we discovered an online course, Maths Online. She liked the video lessons, the summaries of essential skills, the concise worksheets and the records that showed her at a glance how far she’d progressed through the course and what grades she was achieving. All went well for a time and then she came to a section that we felt wasn’t adequately explained by the video lessons. I could see Imogen’s confidence falling. Any time now I thought, she’s going to say, “I don’t want to do this anymore. When am I ever going to need all this maths?”

So for a few weeks, I spent extra time searching the Internet for more information and trying to work through the examples with Imogen. It was all very time consuming and it meant taking time away from the activities I was doing with the other girls. There had to be a better way.

One day I discovered that a friend in our parish was a high school maths tutor. Instantly I could see the maths problem disappearing. Would John tutor Imogen? Yes. He was more than happy to give her a weekly 2-hour lesson, complete with practical and lunch thrown in by his dear wife for… free. John drove Imogen home again after the lesson too. He was a real answer to a prayer.

After three terms with John, Imogen completed the advanced maths course at the age of 16. John set the tone from day one.  Imogen appeared after the first class with a broad smile on her face.  “John said that if I were in school I’d be in the top few percent of my class. He thinks I am very capable.” Full of confidence she tackled the course her siblings had hated and failed to complete. John’s lessons ended up being one of the big highlights of her week.

So Imogen no longer learns maths. She has completed the course and moved on to other things. My only high school maths student at the moment is 15-year-old Charlotte.

So how is Charlotte learning high school maths? I would be quite happy for her to take a relaxed unschooling approach to maths, especially after observing the experiences of my first three children. In fact, Charlotte did have a year or so of learning maths in this way, focussing more on games and real-life experiences than worksheet problems. But a few months ago she asked me if she could return to the online maths course she used to do. Charlotte, like Imogen, has decided for herself that she wants to complete the advanced maths course and she feels this is the best way of achieving that goal.

I think children need to see a reason why they should learn something in order to be successful. They might simply enjoy what they are learning or they could decide the subject is worth learning: it may prove useful. I don’t feel that the higher levels of maths are necessarily essential for a child to learn. I think back to my own maths days. I did advanced maths and I used some of it at university because I studied a Bachelor of Science. But most of it I have forgotten. I just don’t need that level of skill. Was it a waste of time learning so much maths? For me, I think the answer is no. I enjoyed learning maths. That reason alone justified me doing the course.

My three older children have not suffered because they dropped out of their maths courses. They all went on to study at university level and none of them is disadvantaged.

Imogen was successful in completing her goal because she wanted to do the course. She decided for herself she needed advanced maths, and she actually enjoyed working with John who made maths interesting for her.

And now Charlotte has decided to follow in Imogen’s footsteps. But will she still be willing to learn maths in a structured way next year or the year after?  What if she comes to me and says, “Mum, I hate doing this!”? I think I would ask a few questions. Does she just not understand what she is trying to learn? Is there a better way to approach the subject? Should I ask John to tutor her?

Or is it a question of “Mum, when will I ever use all this maths?” Perhaps Charlotte, like my three oldest children, will see no use for the higher levels of maths. No problem. I will trust she has learnt what she needs to know, at least for that moment. And if in the future she finds out she needs to know more, she can always return to her studies. Her books or online course will still be sitting there quietly waiting for her. It is never too late to learn anything. Motivated to learn, I am sure she’ll catch up very quickly.

So Charlotte, my homeschooling high schooler is learning maths using a structured online course. Can I call her an unschooler? I think about this…

Unlike my first few children, Charlotte is not learning maths just because I’ve told her she has to learn it as it’s an essential of education. She really wants to learn maths and has decided for herself how she is going to learn it. Charlotte is working independently. She is directing her own education. And I guess that fits right in with unschooling after all.

Charlotte is my unschooling high schooler and she uses an online course to learn maths…


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  1. Reply

    I love this post Sue. Each chld is very different in there aptitude with Maths. Brid is so very different to her siblings in Maths.. and Yes I will write a Maths Post. soon.

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    I am looking forward to reading your post, Leanne! I love how we can share in this way and learn from each other. God bless!

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    This got me pondering, again, and I might be going off topic but, never mind!;) It seems to me that God's idea of what is important is different to ours and, if we feel that God is leading us, then we usually have more confidence to choose the less-trod path. Maybe, the key is to know that God's plan is unique for each child and to trust that He is the one who's in control, do you think?

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    Vicky, the problem for me sometimes is not putting aside my own ideas of what is important, but ignoring what society tells us is important. But I am learning to trust God and by doing so, I am listening more to the needs of each of my children. Yes, God has a unique plan for each of them.

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    Hi Sue,

    I was wondering if I could link to this post for Math Mondays? I think it is great for young moms to get some perspective on families who have older students, especially unschooling families.




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    You are welcome to link the post, Faith!

    Faith's blog: Strewing: Unschooling Resources http://strewing.blogspot.com/

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